GPA 416C vs GPA 416B?

[RonSSS]

The Altec C has different T/S parameters than the B. Yet Altec put the C in the 19's with no changes to the cabinet. I never had the opportinity to put a pair of B's in mine to hear the difference. My B's had no cones and are gone now.

Along those lines. The cones GPA installs when you recone a B are NOT the same as stock. They are thinner and just not the same. I saved one original cone to compare to cones I bought from GPA. I'll say again, they are just not the same.

All that said, I would love to hear both of GPA's new versions in my 19's. However, that would be a very expensive experiment. Not going to happen for me.

Ron

[Altec Best]

To make it a fair test we would need several cabs, as that is an important part.

Also- best for someone else may not be best for you. If we did a test might be nice to have data and a synopsis of several tester's opinions.

How it sounds always takes precedence over how it measures...but if you can have both...

Agreed.... I agree with everything Bowtie said. OG That's exactly what I'm talking about.What someone else hears maybe totally different than how you or someone else will perceive/hear it. How it sounds is always the best course than how it measures for each individual.But since we all hear things differently,opinions from one person to the next may not be valid.With some measurements it will help folks see with their eyes what they are actually hearing and will help them in the future to achieve those preferences.I think this would be of great help to many Altec DIYers.And then we can have the best of both worlds.

Have you ever been to a friends place back in the day to hear a speaker system that your friend or acquaintance had and said they think sounds great,(We all have,many times) but you didn't like it and have this expression on your face ?

It would just be nice to have the differences in print to look at for comparisons.

[bowtie427ss]

No different for me is it ? Bill is someones opinion I trust.

Important note here, i didn't for a second mean my comment as a dig toward Bill, or anyone else for that matter. I'm a practical enough thinker to understand that if Bill were to engage every inquiry with all of the subtle details that many of us ache to know, he would be hard pressed for time to do anything else, especially building and servicing the drivers we all appreciate.

I would guess that his response to you in regard to the differences between B and C was in a simpler and more basic context than what you or i would have hoped for a response, and i do understand why. You and i really want to hear the response that would be given to the same question at a round table discussion of the 416 woofer among he and his colleagues.

[Altec Best]

Important note here, i didn't for a second mean my comment as a dig toward Bill, or anyone else for that matter. I'm a practical enough thinker to understand that if Bill were to engage every inquiry with all of the subtle details that many of us ache to know, he would be hard pressed for time to do anything else, especially building and servicing the drivers we all appreciate.

I would guess that his response to you in regard to the differences between B and C was in a simpler and more basic context than what you or i would have hoped for a response, and i do understand why. You and i really want to hear the response that would be given to the same question at a round table discussion of the 416 woofer among he and his colleagues.

Sorry for the delay in responding Bowtie.Been off the board for a bit.

I have no idea where that came from.Bill is a great guy and friend who always had time to talk to me.

That is one of the reasons I like Bill and GPA so much is when I do call he always,always, answers my questions to my satisfaction.I have had a lot of work done there.And parts bought.We are also in the midst of MAYBE collaborating on bringing a 3182 to market.Just waiting on Bill to send me a copy of the drawings for my machinist.A couple of prototypes will be made and sent to Bill for inspection first.For his machinist to reprogram all the machines it will be too expensive he said.My friend has a modern Mom & Pop type machine shop.That can do it for a fraction of the cost.So if everything goes as planned after the prototypes he will run off a bunch.From what Bill explained to me the difference between the 3184 & the 3182 is the top and bottom plates.Once he has the plates he can go into production with them. He can't send me the original drawings for obvious reasons,but they are also too big for his printer to copy.So once I can get a set of working drawings we should be good to go. I hope !!! Then we can get some 18" 20 Hz Butt Kickers...

[GM]

Why? 18" is passe', 21-24" what's happening nowadays.....

[bowtie427ss]

Why? 18" is passe', 21-24" what's happening nowadays.....

I'm picturing GM in a pimped out Escalade.

Sorry for the delay in responding Bowtie.Been off the board for a bit.

No sweat AB, i think you should be allowed a few minutes away from the board now and then.

[Altec Best]

For one Altec never made a 21-24" Driver.Since I'm partial to Altec designs I would like to give it a whirl.Could a 21" driver be better, probably.But it would not be Altec. I know it's a flaw. I'm learning to live with it. Altecitis.

[GM]

For one Altec never made a 21-24" Driver.Since I'm partial to Altec designs I would like to give it a whirl.Could a 21" driver be better, probably.But it would not be Altec. I know it's a flaw. I'm learning to live with it. Altecitis.

Understood, it was ~ a rhetorical question. I figured if nothing else, GPA has some excess kits to use up. The 3182 was hot $#&@ when it came out till McCauley released its awesome 6174-18.

Talk about a brute, a pair of these in pipe horns peaked well above what could be measured in a large custom HT for one of the local pro ball players. At the time, their concussive impact was the closest I'd ever experienced to a 500 lb TNT bomb simulator's, though I've since experienced even more impact from a DSL TH system.

GM